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More online gig listings

I’m still trying to solve the problem of online gig listings, and I’m using the new Little Fish site as a guinea pig. The problem isn’t that the listings are bad, it’s that there are lots of them, and musicians don’t want to spend much time filling in forms on the web.

I’m going with ArtistData, which promises a solution to exactly this problem, but I have to say it’s not running quite as smoothly as planned. I need to get decent gig listings up onto these sites:

The idea is that I put the gig info into ArtistData once, and it spews it out to the rest. Turns out it’s not so easy…

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Solving the problem of online gig listings

I’ve been thinking about my quest to define the ultimate band website. It’s a huge topic, so let’s break it down. First up, gigs online: listings, tickets, RSVPs, sharing, feeds…

What are the choices?

Facebook

Facebook events seems like a good place to start. The way Facebook handles events is great (mostly). It’s tempting to just use Facebook events and embed widgets everywhere else. But it’s not open. Facebook event listings are usually publicly accessible and show up in Google listings, but you need a Facebook account to interact.

Myspace

Unsurprisingly, Myspace gigs gig listings are shit. They look messy, they are annoying to update, you can’t share them easily and they don’t link in with anything useful. Also unsurprisingly, they are the most commonly used gig listings ever.

Upcoming

Upcoming is an event listing site that’s really clever about using hcal, RSS, Flickr machine tags, and other geeky stuff. It’s close to perfect as a solution for the online gig conundrum but non-geeks probably won’t use it, so we would need to feed listings from Upcoming out to other, more familiar, services.

Eventful

Eventful is pretty similar to Upcoming, but maybe not quite as slick. It seems to be a little more US-centric too. On the other hand, it has the “request a band to play in your town” feature, which is what Jonathan Coulton used to plan his early tours.

Twitter tools

Twtvite, Schmap and the rest are great single-use web apps. If your entire audience is on Twitter they are perfect. If not, they will only ever be part of the answer.

In the context of Twitter, I reckon you could do some great stuff with these tools. Something like Schmap is a lightweight layer between the ephemera of Twitter and the static info page. There’s a map built in for instant geographical context, a simple one-click RSVP, a short decsription, a single image and a link to a page with more info. For the Twitter part of the solution you could do a lot worse.

Hand-rolled

There are some good WordPress plugins and modules for other CMSs that let you post gig listings and make them look cool, link to ticket shops and so on. The problem with all of them is that they restrict the listings to your site. Great for fans, but not for everyone else. How many people look at your site to see who’s playing at their local venue?

The secret weapon

There’s a site called ArtistData that lets you update loads of services at once. You enter the gig details once and they get synced to Myspace, Facebook, etc. We still need to figure out where best to put the listings, but ArtistData will come in handy.

How do we put them together?

Let’s get technical. What are the fixed points?

  1. We can’t ignore Facebook. People on Facebook will want to use it for events.
  2. We only want to update gig details once.
  3. A gig needs to be shareable on at least Facebook, Twitter and email.
  4. We want people to be able to say they’re coming and ideally comment, but not necessarily all on the same platform.
  5. Each gig needs a single canonical URL which acts as the digital address of the physical event.
  6. We want to avoid automated or annoying tweets and status updates.

I think the trick is to separate out the functionality:

  • Create one master page for each gig with all the details, links, pictures, flyers etc.
  • Automate the creation of an entry on each platform you want to support that provides basic information and links back to the master page. This doesn’t include Twitter, unless there’s a very clever non-annoying natural language solution. Better to automate the creation of the Schmap and update Twitter by hand.
  • As a bonus, it would be great if the master page could pull in some stats from the satellite pages (eg. how many Facebook RSVPs or Twtvite sign-ups) and reflect the conversation going on around the gig (which might tie in with Steve Lawson’s post about machine tagging gigs) UPDATE: Steve’s post was about machine tagging beta releases of music, but is still worth a read.

What do you reckon?

The question is, what do we use to create the master page? Facebook might be a contender. It’s tricky to feed stuff out from Facebook, but ArtistData could push the content to Facebook and the others.

What do you reckon? Any thoughts? What do you use?

UPDATE: @garrettc, @quitexander, @platform3, @Jazza_UK and @mondoagogo mentioned Last.fm, GigPress, Songkick and friends as good platforms for and/or sources of gig info. Thank you all. I’ll investigate and report back. ;)

I’m playing Hammond at the Albert Hall with Little Fish

Little Fish supporting Them Crooked Vultures at the Royal Albert Hall

In a bizarre twist of fate I’ve ended up playing Hammond organ for Little Fish. This is a good thing. Little Fish rocks, I love playing the Hammond and I get to play the Royal Albert Hall.

The backstory is rather convoluted, so I’ll try to keep it short. It begins at the Zodiac in 2001…

I went to see the Roadworks Songwriters Tour at the Zodiac. There was a guy called Jont who was great and wore no shoes. I went to his monthly gig at the 12-Bar Club a few times and drank a lot of tequila.

Over the next five years I went to loads of his gigs. Some of them were UNLIT (a mixture of a house party and a gig), and eventually I put on an UNLIT of my own at the Gardeners Arms in January 2008. Jont played, I did a set at the piano and Stornoway played acoustic. Jont noticed that I could actually play, and I started to play piano at some of his gigs. We played a load of house concerts, small gigs and festivals around England (and a couple in Paris) through 2008/9.

Last year Jont put together a band he likes to call The Infinite Possibility (a 7-piece with bass, electric guitar, pedal steel, piano, backing vocals, percussion and my brother on drums) and we recorded an album, produced by Nigel of Bermondsey. A couple of weeks ago we were down at Rotator rehearsing for a final recording session (Jont wrote a new song that’s going on the album). JuJu from Little Fish turned up to sing some vocals on the new track. It turns out she had been looking for a Hammond player for almost a year, and I’m a Hammond player.

And now we’re supporting Them Crooked Vultures

It’s slightly insane. In a couple of weeks I’ll be sitting behind a beautiful Hammond XK-3 and staring wide-eyed past JuJu with her 50s Gibson and Nez with his immaculately tuned drum kit, into a 3-storey sea of Them Crooked Vultures fans. Not bad for a Monday night.

Unfortunately it’s all sold out (in – like – 0.3 seconds), but we’re playing another half dozen gigs around the country in the next couple of weeks (Bristol tomorrow, then Portsmouth, Oxford, London, Nottingham, Manchester). You should come and see us!

Singers of Twitter II

Darbucka is a venue like no other. It’s not the great food, the funky cushions and low tables or the fact that Steve Lawson plays his crazy and wonderful solo bass looping magic down there. It’s the silence. The silence of the room whose curtains and sofas eat every sound and the silence of the crowd who are there to listen, barely breathing. If it wasn’t so comforting it would be disconcerting.

Singers of what, now?

Let’s face it. Nobody’s going to turn up to a gig called Singers Of Twitter II at random. Everyone in the audience knew one of the performers. Which always makes for a friendly and fun gig. But not everyone knew us in real life. There were people there who only knew us from the ‘tubes.

I met @postdocal at the bar after my set. “You must know Steve, right?”, I said. “Nope, but I know some of your stuff and some of Steve’s from the net.”, she said.

People connect.

And that’s what it’s all about. People connect. The music has context. Three acts that would confuse the hell out of an average pub crowd suddenly seem normal, familiar. Lloyd Davis‘ ukulele songs are joyful and then breathtakingly melancholy. My musical tweets and quirky songs are surprising and funny. Steve‘s bass playing is phenomenal and engrossing. Lobelia‘s singing is stunning and sweet. We (and I mean the audience as much as the performers) are like a musical family enjoying an get-together around the piano. Except we’re only related by Twitter and the piano has morphed into a ukulele, two guitars, a six-string bass and a rack full of magical looping gizmos.

If only Lily Allen could have been there. She’d have loved it.

UPDATE: Quality video

@edent took a few videos at the gig. Here’s the Twitter song live!:

You should also check out Lloyd Davis and Steve Lawson playing All Of Me with uke and bass and Steve and Lobelia doing a wicked country version of You Spin Me Round with crowd singalong!

UPDATE: Beautiful feedback

I got some great messages after the show (Twitter can be such a happy place…):

_Jo_: Great eve at Darbucka listening to @ihatemornings performing songs to tweets, v amusing. Plus wine , nice grub and good company.
catstress: Home from fab night at darbucka – much fun & great to finally get to see @ihatemornings live…
guitartim: In more +ve news, loved the Darbucka gig tonight. @solobasssteve & @lobelia awesome as always, @lloyddavis uke-tastic, @ihatemornings genius
lobelia: @ihatemornings So lovely to finally see you play. You and @lloyddavis were on top form tonight! Such a fun night! x
solobasssteve: it must be said, @ihatemornings & @LloydDavis make for a top quality double bill. Glad to have them both on board for @officegigs :)
Louforyou: @guitartim @lobelia @solobasssteve @ihatemornings @_jo_ @j_ane @catstress THANK YOU for a special evening :-) #darbucka

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